I viewed the Remnant Boise Conference via the live streaming option a couple of weeks ago. I watched some of the Saturday session as well as all of the Sunday session. As with past conferences, I was pleasantly surprised at the level of spirituality of the messages given. Also, I thought the Sunday session carried a significant spiritual “weight” to it.
To Covenant or Not to Covenant
In the last 3 years or so I’ve consistently asked God whether I should fully participate in the Remnant movement that was put into motion by Denver Snuffer (or God if you believe) at the end of his 10 lecture series in 2013/2014. After regularly asking God, the response to my inquiry has always been “no”. Notwithstanding, God has never told me that Denver was a false prophet or false messenger.
During the Sunday session, I was starting to get worked up because if the covenant was as important as it was purported to be, then it seemed as though it would be an extremely important thing in which to participate. I prayed throughout the session to know, despite my earlier communications, whether to enter into this covenant and whether the covenant was indeed from Heaven, and not from men.
I didn’t get an answer to the latter, but I did get an answer to the former. The answer was again a “no”. Therefore, I didn’t enter in the covenant. Irrespective of the relief of receiving this answer, I was still perturbed by the possibility of missing out on spiritual progression, therefore, in his mercy, God send a second confirmation shortly after the conference ended.
Godly Work Outside of the LDS Church and the Remnant Movement?
I believe that those of us who come from the LDS culture tend to gravitate toward the “we are right, and you are wrong” or “black and white” philosophy, and to some extent the zero sum game philosophy. In the LDS Church members are taught that while those outside the faith can learn truths and while they can receive promptings from the Holy Ghost, they can never be saved unless they either join the LDS Church and receive its ordinances, or receive its ordinances after they die via vicarious work in LDS temples. Furthermore, no one in the world can have God’s Priesthood outside of the LDS Church. Essentially, God is working salvation in the Church, and in the Church alone, and only the leadership of the Church has all Priesthood God can give to man at this time. As if we are children, we reduce ourselves to the “my dad is better than your dad” argument.
These types of philosophies seem to have crept into the Remnant movement to some degree in which, according to the zero sum game philosophy, the LDS Church has lost its right to be led by Priesthood (according to Denver), and now that privilege and authority now resides in the remnant movement. I.e., the LDS Church lost, and the Remnant gained, i.e. zero sum game. Can God work outside this movement? Do those in the movement believe God can?
Maybe not? John the Baptist wrested the keys from the Jews who were up to their eyeballs in apostasy.
However, you can make the counter argument via scripture and you can also make the argument based on the actual nature of Priesthood.
If the fullness of the Melchizedek Priesthood is only given by God, then ultimately it is God who controls it, no?
Never cease striving until you have seen God face to face. Strengthen your faith; cast off you doubts, your sins, and all your unbelief; and nothing can prevent you from coming to God. Your ordination is not full and complete till God has laid His hand upon you. We require as much to qualify us as did those who have gone before us; God is the same. If the Savior in former days laid His hands upon His disciples, why not in latter days?
26 He that is ordained of God and sent forth, the same is appointed to be the greatest, notwithstanding he is the least and the servant of all.
27 Wherefore, he is possessor of all things; for all things are subject unto him, both in heaven and on the earth, the life and the light, the Spirit and the power, sent forth by the will of the Father through Jesus Christ, his Son.
28 But no man is possessor of all things except he be purified and cleansed from all sin.
29 And if ye are purified and cleansed from all sin, ye shall ask whatsoever you will in the name of Jesus and it shall be done.
33 For whoso is faithful unto the obtaining these two priesthoods of which I have spoken, and the magnifying their calling, are sanctified by the Spirit unto the renewing of their bodies.
34 They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God.
35 And also all they who receive this priesthood receive me, saith the Lord;
36 For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me;
37 And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father;
38 And he that receiveth my Father receiveth my Father’s kingdom; therefore all that my Father hath shall be given unto him.
39 And this is according to the oath and covenant which belongeth to the priesthood.
40 Therefore, all those who receive the priesthood, receive this oath and covenant of my Father, which he cannot break, neither can it be moved.
41 But whoso breaketh this covenant after he hath received it, and altogether turneth therefrom, shall not have forgiveness of sins in this world nor in the world to come.
42 And wo unto all those who come not unto this priesthood which ye have received, which I now confirm upon you who are present this day, by mine own voice out of the heavens; and even I have given the heavenly hosts and mine angels charge concerning you.
6 Behold, thou art Nephi, and I am God. Behold, I declare it unto thee in the presence of mine angels, that ye shall have power over this people, and shall smite the earth with famine, and with pestilence, and destruction, according to the wickedness of this people.
7 Behold, I give unto you power, that whatsoever ye shall seal on earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven; and thus shall ye have power among this people.
8 And thus, if ye shall say unto this temple it shall be rent in twain, it shall be done.
9 And if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou cast down and become smooth, it shall be done.
10 And behold, if ye shall say that God shall smite this people, it shall come to pass.
And perhaps the most enlightening scripture in this series, and my personal favorite: JST Genesis 14
27 And thus, having been approved of God, he was ordained an high priest after the order of the covenant which God made with Enoch,
28 It being after the order of the Son of God; which order came, not by man, nor the will of man; neither by father nor mother; neither by beginning of days nor end of years; but of God;
29 And it was delivered unto men by the calling of his own voice, according to his own will, unto as many as believed on his name.
30 For God having sworn unto Enoch and unto his seed with an oath by himself; that every one being ordained after this order and calling should have power, by faith, to break mountains, to divide the seas, to dry up waters, to turn them out of their course;
31 To put at defiance the armies of nations, to divide the earth, to break every band, to stand in the presence of God; to do all things according to his will, according to his command, subdue principalities and powers; and this by the will of the Son of God which was from before the foundation of the world.
32 And men having this faith, coming up unto this order of God, were translated and taken up into heaven.
If we must be “Enoch-worthy” to live in “big-boy” Zion, then we must approved directly by God to have this type of Priesthood. At that point, all hierarchies, differences, movements, churches, congregations, demarcations, boundaries, and divisions will simply melt away. Shouldn’t the goal be less about a specific movement, and more about how we can help all others be approved by God? Is that truly what this covenant is about?
What’s The Deal Then?
Regardless of whether people in the Remnant actually carry over the aforementioned beliefs from the LDS Church, it doesn’t mean God isn’t working through the Remnant movement, and doesn’t mean that Denver Snuffer isn’t some kind of messenger sent by God.
A few things stand-out to me.
- The covenant was clearly for Gentiles. Therefore, who are Gentiles? Who are not Gentiles?
- Perhaps the covenant through Denver Snuffer is some kind of preparatory covenant for the fullness of an Enoch-like covenant for those in the Remnant.
- We should be very very careful to judge what is and what is not of God. We live in a gray world. Most things are by degree. I would hope God doesn’t judge me based on a system of black and white.
- Perhaps in some ways the covenant through Denver Snuffer is irrelevant. If one IS what the covenant demands, then would that person have an inherent covenant with God?
I commend anyone who entered into the covenant in an effort to better serve and know God. I commend all in the Remnant movement for their Godly efforts, and I appreciate so much of what has been written and accomplished by those in the movement. For me, either it’s not the right time, or God wants me to do something else. I must follow God’s plan for me.